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February 15th 2012
More needle for Super Eight
Daniel Bruwer versus Flow Simba

Daniel Bruwer and Flo Simba, two of the fighters provisionally included in the Super Eight. The pair fight each other on March 3

Rodney Berman has upped the stakes ahead of his formal announcement of the Super Eight tournament next week.

The event will now also feature a third-place box-off (between the two losing semifinalists) with the fighters sharing R150 000 on a 60-40 split.

“I gave it some careful thought,” said Berman. “It simply adds to the excitement and could potentially be a cracker.”

With Ricky Hatton expected to be in attendance – earlier guest Joe Calzaghe has business to attend to in the UK – and boxing’s cognoscenti expected at next Thursday’s announcement at Emperors Palace, interest is at an all-time high.

“I have a stake in the event – I manage Flo Simba – but even if that wasn’t the case, I would be excited,” said Brian Mitchell. “This is the sort of tournament boxing fans want, with an element of real needle.”

Golden Gloves will also reveal the fights featuring the eight top cruiserweights, based on a seeding process that involved Boxing South Africa, more specifically Loyiso Mtya.

“Loyiso had the final say, and I think it’s fair to claim that there will be some cracking contests,” said Berman.

52 Responses to “More needle for Super Eight”

  1. February 15, 2012 at 9:51 am, Dilo said:

    Looking forward to seeing the full lineup and all the matchups.. Ricky Hitman Hatton, i am sure his weight would also qualify him to fight in this event.. Just kiding guys…I just read that 1 of the worst matchups of the year has been made. Saul Alverez, the mexican wbc champion, who is outstanding with a record of 40/0, most of them by KO and still just 21 years old has been match against Shane Mosley, who is 40 and way over the hill..its ridiculous, and this is on the undercard of Mayweather Cotto.. Now, either Mosley is desperate for the money, or he want to get seriously hurt.. Many taught Pacman retired him after that beating, then Mayweather beat him, now he is in line to get another beating from a future great Alverez..Golden Boy make som good matches, but this 1 is awfull. Its a shame. cheers


    • February 15, 2012 at 7:44 pm, pierre said:

      You are right – Sugar Shane should not be fighting any more, and especially not against a much bigger and younger boxer-puncher like Canelo. One thing you got wrong, though: Shane got outboxed by Mayweather before he fought Pacquiao.


  2. February 15, 2012 at 10:16 am, nomercy said:

    This is great news. I take it if one of the fighters (flo/bruwer) gets KOd then the self acclaimed greatest cruiser in SA Rubin cinderella Groenewald will get a spot…
    All I’m interrested in is who is going to fight who and when, does anyone know how many rounds these fights will be, can’t see it being less then 8?
    Goodluck to all!!!!


    • February 15, 2012 at 1:36 pm, Cyborg said:

      Ha ha ha! Great comment.


  3. February 15, 2012 at 10:54 am, C T said:

    Dilo yes that is a bit of Miss match not saying that Mosely isnt brilliant but you right Mosley has done the best he can and was brilliant at the peak of hes game if its just a pay day then all due respect Mosley deserves the money hes earned the right to fight until he wants to give in ,but yes he can get hurt and damage hes rep by carring on with this ….No Mercy i think we in for a surprise and the winner out the flo bruwer could just determine if Ruben will be in or not …im very keen on seeing who the super 8 will be and look at the offer on the table!!!! i hope all super 8 contenders thats been tipped off that they could be in these 8 are working and training harder than ever before to bring us there best A GAME ever this could even open up doors for them where eyes were closed .i Rate on rounds should start on 4 rounds and move up as they are eliminated to 8 will be very interesting to show us exactly what they made of .No mercy and dilo what is your take on Ruben for the super 8 i rate this guys will come back to do damage ,who would be the toughest contender for Ruben ,that you think could be in could the super 8?and Joey sipho fight what is your official verdict on that fights as well as mabuza and Tommy ?


    • February 15, 2012 at 12:24 pm, nomercy said:

      I don’t know who all the boxers are who is taking place in the super 8 but I know that of the guys I know who is fighting, Rubin is by far the worst, I can’t see him beating anyone… Thabiso Mchunu destroyed him in 4 rounds, Daniel beat in in the dying seconds of the 8th round even tho he was ahead on points, he lost!
      And he and Peter cheated by using his pump in the corner..
      As a cruiser weight he has achieved nothing, he was a good middel many years ago!
      Danie venter will break him, if Johnny and Tshepang go up to cruiser and compete, both will have to much power for him. Jnr Makabu is a world champ allready so if he fights he will retire Rubin and probaly damage him permanently… I just can’t see him winning against these okes…then I’m not even talking about Zack who is an animal…
      Joey has a tuff task, beating Shipo is going to be very hard, but I think he can, if he will is another story…
      My personel take on Flo/Bruwer is to see if
      Flo has a future or not, Bruwer on form will beat Flo, he’s just to clever for him, but if Flo lands Daniel is gone…its just to close to call…
      Tommy should win good…


    • February 15, 2012 at 2:49 pm, Johnny said:

      > Were is the like button LOL!


  4. February 15, 2012 at 11:16 am, Michael Pawson said:

    Yes without Ruben Groenewald ..the tournament will just end up being a damp squid …everyone knows that Bruwer and Ruben dislike each other intensely …and this could only be good for the series and let’s just hope that they are the last 2 in the final..what a buildup ..and what a cracker …!


  5. February 15, 2012 at 11:18 am, Michael Pawson said:

    Another question is …what was your thinking behind matching these 2 guys Rodney …just before the kickoff of the Super 8 ..does not make sense to me,,!!


  6. February 15, 2012 at 12:17 pm, THE IRON said:

    My money is on Zack to win this tournament, regardless of who is left in the line-up. The only way I see Zack losing is if Ilunga competes and beats him by decision, since he throws alot of punches and is very accurate. I don’t think Ruben will see the final of this Super 8. I do hope that somehow though we have another James Braddock fairytale, although Braddock was only stopped twice in twenty-four losses as a heavyweight, whereas Ruben has been stopped 3 times in this division already.


  7. February 15, 2012 at 12:48 pm, Johnny said:

    I Hope Ruben is in and Bruwer like I said 2 weeks ago will pay top money to see this fight


  8. February 15, 2012 at 1:36 pm, Cyborg said:

    Wonderful idea Rodney Berman, bravo! I’m fortunate enough to interact with a number of boxers and trainers on a fairly regular basis and the sad truth is that there simply isn’t enough money out there for national level boxers to make a living without regular fights. World-class fighters can obviously breathe a little bit but what our locals need are more regular match-ups on quality cards. Big credit to Golden Gloves and Emperors Palace for all they’re doing for the local fight game. I appreciate that a newcomer on the block like Showpony can hold multimillion rand extravanganza’s but having a bid card once a year doesn’t help anyone. Mr B, any chance of you making packages available for fans to get ringside seats and the chance to meet Ricky Hatton for a quick glove signing?


  9. February 15, 2012 at 5:18 pm, Jono B said:

    I see that Flo is looking he’s all time best right now and that is great.
    Flo is boxing’s nice guy and I hope he can pull off this win.
    Bruwer was really good back in the day but man he let him self go.

    Tommy is going to walk the Ausie on the 3dr March and head to the USA.
    Where he is going to get one or two world titles.


  10. February 15, 2012 at 7:47 pm, pierre said:

    This is going to be a great tournament. Cruiserweight is the new heavyweight! Just look at the difference in quality between the Hernandez/Cunningham fight last week and any of the K-Bros boring, sleepwalking title defences in the last year.


  11. February 16, 2012 at 6:15 am, Michael Pawson said:

    No mercy Like Ruben said you should have been a stand up comedian..ha ha ..very funny …!And THE to Rubens stoppages we all know that the Ref had no right to stop the fight against Bruwer …and he put up a excellent performance against Froch and it was more his conditioning having taken the fight on 2 weeks notice after a 2 year lay off that resulted in the Ref stopping that fight ..Ruben was exhausted and the Ref saw that .. You know guys records don’t always speak for themselves..or guys like the Pacman ..Mike Weaver..Gerrie Coetzee, Arnold Taylor, James Braddock,to name but a few…. would never had ended up being World Champions if that were the case Rubens case his record is much better than you are giving him credit for he is a 2 times World Champion plus a host of other titles Amateur and Pro …what has Bruwer done …against a mediocre opponent in Germany fighting for the Title he wass badly beaten … an overblown Middleweight Anthony van Niekerk coming back after a long layoff kicked his but for 11&1/2 Rounds before collapsing from exhaustion ..and no one has much to say on him..The truth is whether you like it or not Ruben is a Contender and all his noise he has been making was just to ensure that he was not forgotten while he was fighting to get his license back ..that was illegally taken away from him..but he is back ..and you have to admire the tenacity with which he fought for his rights ..enough said..!


    • February 16, 2012 at 12:35 pm, nomercy said:

      What you seem to forget is, Daniel Bruwer has a win over Rubin, it does not matter how you look at it,or what excuse you think of, his record says Loss TKO 8!
      And nobody is saying Rubin wasn’t good, he was, a very long time ago, and in a different weight class, as a cruiser…but let’s see, actions speek louder than words…
      And by no means am I taking anything away from Rubin as a person, we are talking boxing here, nothing personal…
      Another thing is, he seems to no everything about everything, but against Daniel ha wasn’t fit at all, so what does that tell you, all talk and no action…


      • February 16, 2012 at 1:19 pm, Dilo said:

        > Nomercy, how can you say that! It was not his fault that he was unfit! He was ill, then he had a poor trainer, then he was very unlucky, The ref was not fair, etc etc etc, so you cant blame him now. And when he looses again, we’ll see another list of excuses. Seriously, go speak to som of the guys who beat him, theyl giv a different version of event. And yes, nothing personal, we talking boxing here, and nobody has a devine right to speak because they think they no it all. cheers


  12. February 16, 2012 at 8:06 am, fan247! said:

    i think u guys are writing Shane of too soon,lets be honest Canelo is no Mayweather or Pacquio


  13. February 16, 2012 at 8:57 am, Johnny said:

    This is going to be the best tournament for a long time ,this will revive Boxing in SA ,with Supersport,Mr Berman this will be a huge success I hope the line up is as follows Zack , Bruwer , Ruben ,Junior ,Flo , Johnny , Thabiso


  14. February 16, 2012 at 9:53 am, Jorden said:

    This is going to be a better line up for the super8 as follows , Flo, Ruben,Johnny,Zack,Junior,Thabiso,eg.
    This will be a sale out event.


    • February 16, 2012 at 11:39 am, Johnny said:

      > Must Agree but Bruwer must be in the mix


  15. February 16, 2012 at 3:55 pm, Michael Pawson said:

    Well no mercy we are going to go around in circles on Ruben…and that’s why it is imperative that Ruben fight in the Super 8 or there will always be questions asked by him and by the public …I mean how else you gonna keep Ruben …Rodney let him fight and put his money where his mouth is ..and trust me you guys are going to be saying ..Geez we never thought or ..would you believe what Ruben did etc etc


  16. February 17, 2012 at 10:13 am, silver said:

    I don’t think ruben can beat most of the guys in the super 8 I think he’ll get hurt,but let’s give him the chance and c how it goes so that at the end there’s no excuses


  17. February 17, 2012 at 1:50 pm, Dirk said:

    Does anyone know how Bruwers training is going?


  18. February 18, 2012 at 5:14 pm, Michael Pawson said:

    Well officially as of yesterday Ruben Groenewald has been granted his license so Mr Berman his license no is 007700 …so now we he is official and from here on in maybe we should call him Ruben 007 Groenewald ..sounds cool. Anyway Ruben it is now all systems go and I am here to support you for as long as it takes to put a zip on the lips of all your critics ..So guys here starts a new journey for Ruben and to all his friends and fans lets believe,…I know I do


  19. February 18, 2012 at 8:03 pm, Ruben Cinderella Man Groenewald said:

    My boxing coach in south africa told me before I left for England that the British will never ever accept me, and that they dont accept foreigners only their own. Well sorry to hear about you mate lol. Just to prove my popularity in England, radio station Kent FM has just phoned me up tonight, Saturday night 8pm to find out when I’m next fighting and also to hear my thoughts on the Klitch vs Chisora fight. God bless all my mates in England, they’re great people whom I love and respect. Oh yes and I mentioned that since I got my license back on friday that 3 promoters have already phoned me up and offered me fights but we’ll see where the best offer is coming from. Life is good baby. This year is my 10th year anniversary of winning the world title against all odds. The Cinderella Man strikes again ten yrs later. Watch this space!


  20. February 20, 2012 at 8:57 am, Johnny said:

    Hi Mr Berman how about making a Belt for the winner of the Super 8


  21. February 20, 2012 at 9:27 am, pierre said:

    Michael – I like Ruben’s determination and his willingness to engage with fans on this website. However, I don’t think that it’s helping his image to have a PR guy posting on his behalf alongside him. Just saying.


  22. February 20, 2012 at 11:36 pm, Ruben Cinderella Man Groenewald said:

    pierre, i dont know what exactly you know about marketing but can I help if people want to defend me? Some of these people have met me in person and thats obviously how they feel. As the saying goes, “If ya got it ya got it! Anyway. Today was my 3rd official training session. 2 rounds shadow boxing of 5 minutes each with 2kg weights in each hand. Then a bit of Strength training which involved some weights etc. 3 rounds on the bag. 1 speed bag, 1 inside fighting bag and 1 technique bag, then sit ups. So not too bad for my 3rd day after a year’s lay off. Come the super 8 tournament, I’m walking away with gold. I’m back to training with my old trainer who trained me in a professional gym because he was a pro trainer back then and I went there secretly because amateurs and PROS weren’t allowed to train together back then. I was 14yrs old and desperately wanted to better myself and i was not learning much from the amateur trainers. I stuck with him for 4 years and he made me south african amateur champion twice and all african junior champion. Nuff said.


    • February 22, 2012 at 5:16 pm, pierre said:

      Ruben, I support you all the way. I just don’t think you need some oke who is obviously close to your camp (i.e. not an arm’s-length fan) doing your talking on your behalf. You’re doing great by yourself.


  23. February 21, 2012 at 7:35 am, Britt said:

    I can’t wait for the slug-fest Gerhard vs Flo’ “eish” It’s going to be something out of this world’ Flo looking in good shape, accordingly to stablemates, but hey don’t underestimate Billy The Kid, His a Sunday-Puncher…..


  24. February 21, 2012 at 7:53 am, Rodney Berman said:

    In response to Johnny’s comment, the Super 8 winner will definitely be awarded a title belt.


    • February 21, 2012 at 2:15 pm, Johnny said:

      > Great Stuff Mr Berman


  25. February 21, 2012 at 2:14 pm, Dirk said:

    A question to Mr Berman if a boxer is contracted to box for you, do you monitor him on a regular basis? in between fights , diet and weight? i suppose its obviously a investment by you which carry a lot of risks and no guarentee’s . If Tommy was my fighter i would still keep him wrapped up for another 2 years , he has done what you asked of him so far , he seems awfully talented, fit and committed . He IS FROM THE TOUGHEST boxing blood in SA Boxing . Whith a father like Charles Oosthuizen , southpaw trainer and himself being southpaw this partnership must perform right to the top


  26. February 21, 2012 at 3:02 pm, Ruben Cinderella Man Groenewald said:

    Another training session done today. 20 sets of 28 stairs up and down. 20 mins very hard and tough cardio, 3 rounds on the bag of 4 mins each round”. Might not sound like a lot but its early stages. I have to build up to 12 rounds again. When my license was taken away, I had to work everyday and every night. My day job is 7 days a week and the night job monday till saturday. If all goes well at the press conference this thursday and I hear the right stuff then I will have to give up my night job. Its gonna take me a bit longer to get fit because of my long layoff of almost 1 year. But I trust Rodney Berman to give me enough notice so that I can come prepared to execute everyone I face. I will not settle for 2nd best. I’ve already worked out all the opponents. Bruwer will be the easiest. I’ve been waiting for a year for my revenge. After our first fight, I asked for a re match but the promoter said bruwer has retired and does not want to face me. I dont really need a gameplan for him. He’s open like a book. Target practise. Only this time i’m training with my original coach. Big difference. Boxers think boxing is a one man sport. It is but it isn’t. Its all about your team. Everybody in the team serves a purpose.


  27. February 21, 2012 at 9:29 pm, wian said:

    Ruben what do you say about carl froch saying he could have knock you out in the beginnig of the fight but save you to round 5 ???


    • February 22, 2012 at 7:40 am, Britt said:

      I appoligize for posting this Mr Rodney But it’s got to do with Ruben. Froch, who held the WBC super-middleweight title, but fought Groenewald for the Commonwealth belt, said on BBC Radio Nottingham he could have stopped the South African earlier than he did.

      He had predicted before the bout that he would win in the fifth round. Bets were then made that the bout would end in the fifth.

      Speaking on radio about his autobiography, Froch said he had “deliberately” prolonged the fight and had done so on other occasions, too.

      The British Boxing Board of Control could be forced to investigate the matter.

      The board, already expected to stamp on Chirosa for his actions before, during and after the WBC heavyweight fight against Vitali Klitscko, could call on Froch to explain his comments.

      But because he has retired, Froch may escape sanction.

      Froch has been quoted as saying what he did was not illegal. He said he did not gamble, but his brothers and friends did well, financially, by betting on his fights.

      In the fight against Groenewald he “held up” his opponent in the fourth round instead of knocking him out there and then.

      However, Froch has since said his comments on radio should not be taken seriously. In hindsight, he perhaps should not have said what he did, he added.>


      • February 22, 2012 at 9:21 am, Johnny said:

        > Britt go have a look in at the fight on Youtube ,round five you will see that the fight was not supposed to be stopped ,look at the last punch Ruben give when the ref stopped it , But it is not my place to say anything more as not only Carl was involved but but allot of people. The truth is being covered up by this story Carl is saying now. Boxing got allot of politics and corruption that the boxing fan is not aware of ,If you move in the circles of the Boxing world you will know what im talking about


  28. February 21, 2012 at 10:28 pm, Uppercut said:

    Ruben,you are a overweight super-middle who let him self go.
    These guys in the super 8 will beat you ,what will your excuse
    be then.I heard all the excuses in my life but I’m thinking you are writing a new book.Bruwer open like a book and target practice that open book closed on you and you target practice become a horrible did not know if you must stand or fall over .The ref did the right thing,GET OVER IT


    • February 22, 2012 at 9:32 am, Johnny said:

      > Uppercut you have no clue what you talking about, to say he must be a Super middle is ridiculous not even Isaac Chilebe can make Super Middle anymore and he is cut and ribbed .If you know Ruben’s family you will see all of the are tall people, And yes everybody except you know Bruwer had no answer for Ruben even the commentators, that is why there must be a re-match so you and all Bruwer`s fans can see what happened


    • February 22, 2012 at 11:54 am, Johnny said:

      > @ uppercut Some Facts, what about Roy Jones jnr he won the Ibf title as a Middle weight he went up to heavyweight and is currently fighting as a Cruiser maybe he let him self go aswell


  29. February 22, 2012 at 2:21 am, Ruben Cinderella Man Groenewald said:

    I have a lot to say about that night and about what froch said recently but I will save it for my book. You can all read about it in there. I aint gonna pull no punches


  30. February 22, 2012 at 10:56 am, Ruben Cinderella Man Groenewald said:

    Everybody with fake nic names better be at the press conference and introduce yourself to the hammer. Punks


    • February 23, 2012 at 2:38 pm, pierre said:

      Lol! Ruben, I agree, the people with fake nicks are always the ones who make the most noise.


  31. February 22, 2012 at 11:57 am, Johnny said:

    Roy Jones (Jnr) started his career as a light welter


    • February 23, 2012 at 2:37 pm, pierre said:

      No, he started as a junior middle.


      • February 23, 2012 at 6:32 pm, Johnny said:

        > Go Back and look again


  32. February 22, 2012 at 12:05 pm, Dirk said:

    The night Ruben fought Bruwer i was suprised how well Ruben handled him self unforunately for him he was stopped . His condition was also not good enoug , i was even more out of breath just looking . i am not familiar whith what really was wrong . This time you need to take your time and get it right Ruben . If Bruwer is taking Flo lightly you might never get your revenge Ruben


  33. February 23, 2012 at 1:12 pm, Britt said:

    |Ruben Who you fighting for now? Who is your coach?


  34. February 23, 2012 at 4:07 pm, Fan of the Gun said:

    So the Super 8 are:

    1. Zack Mwekassa
    2. Thabiso Mchunu
    3. Danie Venter
    4. Tshepang Mohale
    5. Johnny Muller
    6. Daniel Adotey Allotey
    7. Flo Simba
    8. Daniel Bruwer

    Am I right ?

    and if I understand this correctly, if the loser of Flo vs Bruwer loses badly, Ruben Groenewald might take the place ?

    Thabiso lost to Zack right?
    Johnny lost to Tshepang ?
    Flo lost to Venter ?

    If I’m correct with the above …. there will be a few fighters wanting to redeem themselves, resulting in a spectacular tournament !!!


  35. February 23, 2012 at 5:45 pm, Michael Pawson said:

    Well Rodney Berman congratulations on a very well organised press conference, personally I think the tournament is going to be a cracker .. I am really hoping that Ruben gets his shot at it .. just based on his record and who he has beaten .. so lets hope .. he certainly will pull a lot of supporters from both sides .. some wanting him to lose and some win .. but anyway it’s been a long timing coming and it has certainly got people all excited again about boxing so well done and good luck .. I hope this is new beginings for Boxing in South Africa..!


  36. February 23, 2012 at 6:57 pm, Dirk said:

    I predict a stoppage Bruwer/Simba , a bad ko is not excluded . This is a crossroads fight for both


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