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June 5th 2011
Power & Pride Fight Report
Francois Botha smashes home a right hand on his way to stopping Flo Simba on Saturday night

Francois Botha smashes home a right hand on his way to stopping Flo Simba on Saturday night

White Buffalo mauls the Black Panther

Fransie Botha proved too big, too strong and certainly too experienced as he sensationally chopped Flo Simba down in six rounds at Emperors Palace on Saturday night. What was supposed to be the coronation of a new king turned into a disaster as the beefy youngster opted to slug it out with a slugger and paid the ultimate price. Caught backing up and on the ropes in the sixth, he sucked up a succession of right hands and appeared to stumble. Badly dazed, he was out on his feet as the referee waved the action off, giving Botha a TKO win. It was a massive setback for the 21-year-old, who tasted his first defeat against the wily veteran.

He now needs to go “back to school” to reconstruct his career, but thankfully he is both young and talented enough to do so. Simba’s tactics were bewildering. Instead of utilising his superior speed and movement, he often chose to mix it up with the vastly heavier former world champion. Botha’s right hand was a dangerous weapon all night and he unloaded it often on the unsuspecting prodigy. By the second round Botha was already in his groove, taunting Simba that he wasn’t quick enough. Using his size to good effect, Botha swarmed all over Simba and wasn’t above fouling, at one point even attempting to trip him over.

Botha’s experience was vastly superior and he used his ring nous to good effect, dipping and feinting and closing down the space. Like an ageing warrior, he knew every trick in the book. Sadly, Simba did not. He often flailed with his punches and neglected to cover up. The warning signs were there in the fourth when he ate plenty of right hand leather. Moreover, he foolishly invited Botha in and was rewarded with more punches than he would have liked to the head. But he initially withstood the attack well and his workrate was good. Simba was best when he opened up and threw combinations, which flustered Botha, but at no point did he unduly trouble the 42-year-old.

When the end came it was as sudden as it was devastating. Two early right hands had been a portent of things to come, but when Botha lowered the boom halfway through, the shock among the audience was palpable.
The Black Panther hadn’t only been beaten, he had been savaged.

‘Tommy Gun’ outlasts Gare

Tommy Oosthuizen won as he pleased on the undercard, outboxing and outfoxing veteran Wiliam Gare over 12 underwhelming rounds. It was the first defence of his IBO super-middleweight championship. Gare had been expected to be a sacrificial lamb, but he fought with great confidence and ability, stalking his man from beginning to end. Oosthuizen is a superb counter-puncher, however, and he used his terrific handspeed to subdue Gare’s ambition.

Aware that he wasn’t likely to outbox the champion, Gare was always looking for an opportunity to land squarely, but such opportunities were rare. He managed to open a cut above Oosthuizen’s eye in the seventh, but that was no more than a hindrance as the flashy champion boxed smartly. Oosthuizen was unusually susceptible to the right hand, but Gare lacked the power to make it matter. Oosthuizen won a unanimous decision (116-112, 117-111, 119-110), but the margins were unkind to Gare, who deserved better.

Back to school for Muller

In a devastating setback, SA-light heavyweight champion Johnny Muller was relieved of his title in brutal fashion as SA super-middleweight champion Tshepang Mohale KO’d him in the third round. Muller fought entirely the wrong fight as he neglected his defence and threw big bombs against a man who not only threw big bombs back, but did so better. Muller’s chin has always stood up well, but not this time as he was dropped in the third for an eight-count. He was on wobbly legs when he recommenced the action, only to have the swarming Mohale smash into him with a right to the jaw that sent him sprawling. Referee Wally Snowball never even bothered to count, while Muller was left to pick up the pieces after an all-too-sluggish effort.

‘The Heat’ reigns supreme

In the best fight of the night, southpaws Chris van Heerden and Bongani Mwelase put on a supreme tactical display that mixed in blood and guts with equal measure. Mwelase had been expected to dominate Van Heerden with his natural boxing ability, but the SA welterweight champion displayed an improved defence and superior workrate to outhustle and outbox the celebrated former amateur star. Matters were even through the first five rounds, but Van Heerden’s relentless style meant Mwelase was unable to box and score from the outside and he was sucked into close-quarter battle where he stood no chance against the rugged champion.

The fight was billed as an eliminator for the IBO welterweight title. Notwithstanding the enmity between the pair – they had nearly come to blows at the pre-fight medical – the two embraced at the start of the 12th and suitably ended matters with a flourish of punching. The judges got it spot on with scores of 116-112, 115-113 and 116-113.

Undercard action . . .

SA cruiserweight champion Thabiso Mchunu had a harder time than expected against Danie Venter, winning a majority decision over eight rounds via scores of 78-74 (twice) and 76-76. It was a fascinating clash of styles, with the short, squat champion throwing punches on the inside while Venter smartly fought at a distance. The challenger was very good defensively, but was well worked over, especially on the inside, and did well to survive the distance. Meanwhile, Bongo Lipemba continues to improve rapidly and the muscular junior-lightweight had little trouble dispatching Samson Ndlovu inside a round.

82 Responses to “Power & Pride Fight Report”

  1. June 05, 2011 at 1:37 pm, pete moscardi said:

    I have to question myself. Where was I when the author of the above was watching Gare v Ooosthuizen? I was obviously not in the arena or watching the same fight. Had Tommy “Dancing Shoes” been entered for “Stricly Come Dancing” he would have won hands down. As it was, he hardly threw a punch in anger and ran the entire night. The cleaner and more scoring punches came from Gare. You make it sound as though Tommy should be praised for putting on a sterling performance. If I were his promoter or trainer I would conclude I had a serious problem on my hands. How much patience do you expect fight fans to have when watching this sort of non-performance?? And if the GG publicity machine tries to persuade us that he has a future in the hard school of US boxing it will collect some serious egg on its face.

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  2. June 05, 2011 at 2:21 pm, Boxing fan said:

    Extremely dissapointed with some of the fights on last nights bill. Tommy’s fight was like watching paint dry he runs away and dances to much and misses most of his shots, well up to Gare for attempting to close the gap.Super happy for Botha funny how when flo gets put against someone with experience he hits the canvas. Only really interesting fight was Van heerding vs Bongani however felt the Cyclone threw crisper punches. Really believe if mr excitement “THE BADMAN” Bedeman was on the bill would have made for a much more interesting evening can’t wait to see him in action again!!!

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  3. June 05, 2011 at 2:53 pm, Nick said:

    Last nights bill whch was one of the best boxing bills South Africa has had in a long time proved that no boxer is above amatuer boxing and any fighter who all but skips the amatuer ranks will miss out on valuable lessons which will come to haunt him later in his boxing career as was the case with Flo Simba last night

    I think Botha gained alot of respect last night and i look forward to seeing a rematch

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  4. June 05, 2011 at 3:00 pm, Rodney Berman said:

    It is fascinating that Mr Moscardi is in a minority of one. While everyone else was celebrating a fantastic night’s boxing, he saw fit to denigrate a couple of the fighters, not least Tommy Oosthuizen.
    Coming from anyone else, I would be surprised, but with Moscardi the glass is always half empty rather than half full; he rather sees the dark than the light. He trades in criticism.
    Gare is a well-known spoiler whose awkward style makes it difficult for boxers to overcome. The truth is that Tommy won as he pleased and not a single person who spoke to me thought otherwise. To believe that Gare won is to delude yourself.
    As for the Flo Simba result, a catastrophe is when someone dies – it can hardly apply to a fight in which someone loses. The reality is that boxing was the winner and he should know better than to criticise: great fighters learn from defeat and come back better.

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    • June 08, 2011 at 6:54 am, Pierre said:

      >Mr Berman, that is just not correct. I had Gare winning 116-112, and out of the 10 to 15 people sitting in my immediate vicinity (including several friends who are serious boxing enthusiasts like me), there wasn’t a single one who thought Tommy won at all, never mind “won as he pleased”. I had the fight even at the half-way mark, and had Gare sweeping rounds six through eleven as Tommy did nothing but run and absorb numerous overhand rights (the inability to avoid a right-hand lead seems to be a hallmark of Harold Volbrecht’s fighters, by the way). Most tellingly, Tommy’s parents and girlfriend were sitting right behind us. Tommy’s mom was very vocal for the first few rounds, but from around the halfway mark, she went dead quiet and kept her head buried behind the seat of my friend who was sitting in front of her. She could not bear to see the hammering her boy was taking. With respect, it simply isn’t good enough to write Gare off as “awkward” and a “spoiler” and to proceed on the assumption that Tommy would get the decision as long as he remained conscious at the end. Lulama Mtya should be banned for scoring the fight 119-110 in favour of Tommy. He is SA’s most sycophantic lapdog judge, always scoring heavily in favour of the undefeated house favourite no matter what.

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  5. June 05, 2011 at 3:48 pm, dinks said:

    why then when fighters lose do they get dumped

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  6. June 05, 2011 at 4:11 pm, Uppercut said:

    Last night fights,the way I saw it Johnny can punch but if he can’t knock you out he got problems .You would think if a opponent hit you 4 times with a over hand right you would learn to pick up your left hand,but not Johnny.Hope he learned a lessen in boxing.
    Tommy v/s Gare I think Tommy stayed calm and boxed the way he wanted too .Well done Tommy and Gare.
    The hardest Fight of the night Chris v/s Bongani.Well done to both boxers ,thats what make people come back to boxing.
    Flo v/s Botha ,I did not think Botha had it in him to win Flo,botha proved me wrong.To Flo you showed that you got what it takes to become a champion.You made a mistake by standing toe to toe with Botha but thats how you learn,by your mistakes .You got a trainer next time listen to himin the conner ,thats way his there.Botha made the same mistake when he fought Tyson .Flo back to the gym and start working again

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  7. June 05, 2011 at 4:16 pm, pete moscardi said:

    Oh dear, Rodney!! And your little spiel above tells me that: “this website is to offer boxing fans the opportunity …etc and ‘fair criticism taken on the chin’. It seems you have a glass jaw, Rodney. I think I used the word “disaster” – and not “catastrophe”. So I should know better than to criticise??? Rodney, in case you have not noticed, it is what boxing (and rugby and cricket etc) writers do. “Trading in criticism” as you put it is all stock of the trade. I have no idea who or how many people you canvassed re their opinion of the Oosthuizen fight – but you certainly did not do so anywhere in the viciniity of the press benches where I was seated.You would have received a very different opinion had you done so.

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  8. June 05, 2011 at 4:22 pm, pete moscardi said:

    Sorry for this little PS – but did you speak to “Boxing Fan” who has given his thoughts above. So I guess I may not have been “the minority of one” as you suggest. At least there was one other body in the audience who thinks as I do.

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  9. June 05, 2011 at 4:24 pm, Jonathan said:

    Hi all

    Boxing is a hard game and you have to respect these young boxers.
    I must say that Tommy could of done better and not play it so safe, like the last few fights he has had.
    Gare did come to fight and we all could see that.
    Flo is young and he has had a good run, he will come back stronger and better, he just needs time, HIP can make mistakes lesson learned.
    Johnny Muller is a hard hitting fighter and this time he got in the way of a Bomb, I like this kid he will be SA champ again, every body needs a second chance.
    One thing is I did not see Jason the BADMAN Bedeman on the last few touraments? he is still a very exciting fighter and that kid has Heart.

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  10. June 05, 2011 at 4:35 pm, dinks said:

    @boxinfan and jonathan i agree with you where are the exciting fighters who come to fight like jason bedeman bongani dlamin isaac chilemba hekkie budler gideon buthuelezi tshifiwe munyai etc those guys were exciting and always fought “real” opponents

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  11. June 05, 2011 at 6:06 pm, Dirk said:

    The fights and planning the career of Tommy and Flo was so far perfect,it still remains boxing and its a dangerous sport.Tommy was fighting the right fight, we always complain after our hopes get destroyed.Flo fought the wrong fight and stood still , he forgot to jab and became a very easy target.Look at the times he got caught by right hands as he walked in flatfooted and no jab.Tommy instead took the safe route and won easily.This was a typical well matched masterpiece tournament of Mr Berman ..well done i enjoyed it.Please Mr Berman a star page or gallery of the old greats whith as much info and photo`s as possible. Start whith Charlie Weir pleaseeeeee.

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  12. June 05, 2011 at 6:10 pm, stephen castle said:

    What was very plain to see last night that as soon as the “Golden Trio” got tested, they failed. I feel very sorry for the boxers as it is not there fault but the blame lies with their managers and promoter who have lead them down an alley ill equiped to handle what has been given to them. Easy opponents and inflated records mean nothing when you have to real step up. We have talent in this country it is just is badly managed and trained. Maybe this is the wake up that is needed…..sadly I don’t think it will change much.
    P.S I think Peter Smith might be just what we need in boxing right now.

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  13. June 05, 2011 at 7:47 pm, Dirk said:

    I hear what you say stephan,but i really feel for the boxers its not their fault. You must also remember in the late eighties and nineties there was tournaments tuesday,thursday,saturday and on sundays ,all this was televised. Boxing was booming, your prospect could fight once a month and could gain all the experience.look at brian mitchell he learned his trade against the tough locals not to mention the likes of Volbrecht. years ago they had good strong ameteurs feeding the pro ring.This was the type of tournament we need to get boxing healty again.

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  14. June 06, 2011 at 5:35 am, Duncan said:

    Jonhy Muller……time to call it a day.
    Cris Van Heerden you have what it takes I call that the fight of the night goodluck to your future my boet you are an animal.
    Tommy congrats on the win.
    Flo what now I think you bit of more than you can chew like I said in previous comments you have to be ready for a fight with Fransie he always comes to fight wheter he wins or loose.
    Get back to the drawing board boys.

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  15. June 06, 2011 at 6:08 am, asanda said:

    WHAT A GOOD FIGHT FOR BOTHA WE ALL CONGRATULATE YOU,IT WAS A VERY GOOD START.ON THT DAY IT WAS MY SECOND DAY TO GO AND WATCH BOXING BUT I WAS VERY DISAPOINTED TO SEE THT RASISM ITS STILL THERE.I AM A BLACK SOUTH AFRICAN BUT WHAT I HAVE NOTICESED THAT THERE IS STILL A BIG CLASH BETWEEN BLACKS AND WHITES COS AS A BLACK PERSON I V GOT MY OWN WAYS OF SHOWIN HAPPYNESS,eg SINGING DANCING AND ALL OTHER THINGS BUT WHITE SOUTH AFRICANS DECIDED TO CALL SECURITIES FOR US.PLEASE GOLDEN GLOVES TAKE THIS TO CONCIDARATION BCOS OTER PEOPLE TOLD ME THAT RASISM THING ONLY HAPPEN WHEN YOU ARE HOSTING THE BILL AM VERY VERY DISAPOINTE FROM WHAT I SAW THERE,THANK YOU

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    • June 06, 2011 at 1:55 pm, Rudi Leimlehner said:

      I am a White Male and I was very disappointed at the Racism from both sides black and white all we can do is educate all South Africans on the subject so Asanda let us work together and make South Africa beter for all,God Bless.

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  16. June 06, 2011 at 6:27 am, Silvio said:

    Its funny how all the flo simba supporters are turining there backs on flo,yes flo lost but flo is a great boxer.everyone must remember one thing even the greatest boxers of al time have also lost.this fight will make flo stronger and better.and people are complaning about tommys fight.a win is a win if the he took the easy way to win or not at the end of the day all that counts is the results

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  17. June 06, 2011 at 7:23 am, DD said:

    @Silvio,i agree with you, Flo is beyond talented. You learn by your mistakes. Flo will be back stronger than ever….@ Boxing fan, you a clown, its not like flo has years of experiance.he went into the fight as a underdog.but still showed he has heart an not scared to face anyone.big repect for flo, how can you procrastinate an then use a name of boxing fan?

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  18. June 06, 2011 at 7:38 am, Flo"Black Panther"Simba Fan said:

    FLO “U” DID THE BEST WHAT YOU DID, I AM STILL PROUD OF YOU
    NOW YOU LEARN ON A GREAT FIGHTER, WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT IN THE FUTURE, YOU ARE STILL MY ONLY CHAMP. AND ALL THE BOYS(BOXERS) IS STILL LOOKING UP TO YOU AS THEY HERO.KEEP IT UP
    MY CHAMP YOU WILL COME TO THE TOP AS THE CHAMP.
    MR BERMAN PLEASE LOOK AFTER HIM AS YOU ALWAYS DID, HIS GOT A LOT FAITH IN YOU

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  19. June 06, 2011 at 7:47 am, Jono said:

    People let’s give respect to these Boys they fought the best they could, no one goes in the ring to lose.
    For Flo he has big heart and that’s the truth, anybody can lose in this Sport.
    South Africans only love winners and that’s the truth.
    No disrespect to Golden Gloves but look what happened to Grant Fourie when he lost to a younger fighter like Jason Bedeman?
    He had one more lose and he was out, instead of working with him and making Grant better the let him go, he was a talent.
    GGP please don’t make the same mistake with FLO.(TRUTH)

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  20. June 06, 2011 at 8:14 am, Rodney Berman said:

    Really, my heart goes out to Stephen Castle for his low self-esteem as he was one of Flo’s early opponents and obviously regards him as one of the “easy” opponents.
    I recommend Stephen works on this aspect of his personality.

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  21. June 06, 2011 at 8:19 am, Rodney Berman said:

    Thanks Dirk, your old timers’ gallery idea is great. We’ll get onto it.

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  22. June 06, 2011 at 8:26 am, Boxing fan said:

    In agreement with Jonathan and dinks would love to see the likes Of the exciting Badman back in the ring at emperors what a fighter always has the audience off their seats a real crowd pleaser and talented young man! Saw his last fight at at Ellis park he knocked his opponent right out of the ring!

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  23. June 06, 2011 at 8:30 am, Rodney Berman said:

    Asanda, I’m disappointed to hear about your experience. A black colleague endured a similar experience, which I was horrified to hear about.
    Please be assured that Golden Gloves abhors racism in any form. If we are able to identify any such people, we will immediately ban them. These sorts are unwelcome in boxing where genuine fans detest racism in any form – they shout for both black and white fighters.

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  24. June 06, 2011 at 8:32 am, Boxing fan said:

    Rodney the tournament had awesome match ups the van heerden vs Bongani fight was awesome and Flo vs Botha was very exciting. Would love to see more exciting fights like The Badman in the ring again he to promises nothing but excitment!Well up to Golden gloves.

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  25. June 06, 2011 at 9:29 am, asanda said:

    THANX A LOT MR BERMAN BECAUSE I CAN SEE THAT I AM IN LOVE WITH BOXING I WILL COME AND SUPPORT IT AGAIN AND AGAIN,BT FOR THOSE WHO ARE THROWING THEIR TOWELS FOR SIMBA ITS UNFAIR GUYS,SIMBA ITS A YOUNG BOY AND I BELEAVE THAT THERE ARE BIG CHANCES THAT ARE STILL COMING FOR HIM WE LOVE AND SUPPORT HIM,DONT FORGET THAT ALL SPORTS ARE ALL ABOUT WIN OR LOOSE.

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  26. June 06, 2011 at 10:13 am, Big Boy said:

    it is understandably not a good time for GGP right now, but it would be businesslike to ignore comments GGP feels touch a nerve,as we are now witnessing a weakness.
    anyways. it was a bitter sweet night. got myself sleeping during the Gare/Oosthuizen fight with all the running around! Big up to Chris for teaching Mr. Big Mouth Mwelase that it’s gudto sell a fight VERBALY AND PHYSICALY LOL! Chris you the man!
    @Flo- a suggestion for your boxing career. find a trainer who will teach you boxing, since you can FIGHT well. better luck next time.
    had an opportunity to meet the new IBF jnr. featherweight champ. content guy despite all odds. much respect. your promoter is a lucky man!

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  27. June 06, 2011 at 10:30 am, christo said:

    The way I see it Johnny fought a good boxing match in the first 2 rounds but lost his cool and paid the price. Johnny will regain the title, yes, back to the drawing board and learn to manage the anger when a boxer hits you at the back of the head with both gloves to bring out the worst in you. You are a great boxer Johnny, don’t give up.

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  28. June 06, 2011 at 10:32 am, Shawn said:

    A trip to JHB not wasted at all. We are still big fans of young Muller and will travel again for his next fight. Muller out boxed Mohale in the first two rounds but went wild after that and didn’t listen to Harold. With both Muller and Flo it was a case of learning against two excellent experienced boxers. Good luck next time.

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  29. June 06, 2011 at 10:33 am, Stephen Castle said:

    Mr Berman, thank you for the compliment. Anyone that knows me, knows that I have no self esteem problem. My point was that he has not had a hard fight and NO I do not class myself as a world class fighter. But as I said before my fight with Flo and I say again….stop hyping these fighters and let them do the job themselves by beating worthy opponents. Good Luck to Flo as he is a really good guy. I hope he comes back stronger. Saturday showed us how bad management can work against you.

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    • June 06, 2011 at 11:59 am, Dave said:

      > very well said Stephen, perhaps now Mr Mitchell will stop making Flo out to be the best boxer in the world, when he has only had 10 fights. It’s very unfortunate that he was blow out of proportion like that.

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  30. June 06, 2011 at 10:33 am, dennis said:

    yes back to school for both Muller and Simba. We are behind them all the way and I think both youngsters know where they went wrong and the mistakes they made. I am looking forward to the next fights of both boxers and the improvements they have made then.

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  31. June 06, 2011 at 10:34 am, Payback said:

    Taking in Asanda’s and Rodney’s comments, I believe racism is dying in the sport of boxing and good riddance. What I can distinctly remember on Saturday was Prince Ndlovu and his friends, as well as myself, cheering for Fransie, what a beautiful sight, a nation paying respect to a man who left it all in the ring against the likes of Tyson and Lewis.

    Notwithstanding the haters, boxing was the winner on Saturday, as Rodney matched his stable against worthy adversaries, reflected in the results. My only criticism is the event was a little long winded and a couple less fights in future would be welcomed, so that we could get home a little sooner (but did get my monies worth).

    “Fair criticism taken on the chin”, envisages a punch being thrown back. So thanks for your punches Rodney, and thank you for continually keeping the sport of boxing alive in SA, even at your own personal detriment.

    Long live GG.

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  32. June 06, 2011 at 10:34 am, Keelan said:

    Oh Johnny, you need to learn to control your anger no matter what your opponent does to aggravate you. You were by far the better boxer in the first two rounds. Best of luck in your training for the next one. Flo, I’m behind you all the way as well.

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  33. June 06, 2011 at 10:36 am, Tanya said:

    Muller is still my no 1 and I support him all the way. This way you learn and you learnt the same hard way Simba did. Keep your cool and listen to your trainer.

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  34. June 06, 2011 at 10:36 am, Jono said:

    Hi Guys
    I just saw that Jason the BADMAN is fighting on the 12th at NASREC in a light weight fight.
    Why is he not on GGP fight card any more?that is a shame!
    The whole reason I started watching Boxing again was when I saw my first Live fight at Emperors and that was with Jason in it.
    This young Guy can take a shot and deliver a KO at any time.
    Come On GGP.

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  35. June 06, 2011 at 10:37 am, ben said:

    Very disappointing results. Duncan, you don’t know what you are talking about, Muller has lots of talent and has lots to learn but he is an excellent boxer, mark my words, he will come out with guns blazing and take back the title.

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  36. June 06, 2011 at 10:39 am, Tanya said:

    Asando it so unfortunate you had this experience, where we were sitting and especially with the Botha Simba fight, I myself were shouting my lungs out for Flo and behind us most black spectators had huge boars supporting Fransie.

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  37. June 06, 2011 at 11:43 am, Duncan said:

    @ Ben I would like to see that personally.Like I said in previous posts dont blow up these guys they read all these comments and it goes to their heads….Boxing isnt about knocking every opponent out Flo and Jonhy both has one of the best coaches in the bussines,you need to listen as a fighter your mentor knows best.Remember you will always get in the ring with a person who can punch back not everybody is willing to be a punching bag.But goodluck to them but if youre that young and take a knock out like that it takes work mentally to get back in the game.

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  38. June 06, 2011 at 11:56 am, Dave said:

    I have just read through the comments and they are rather interesting. Firstly i do not care what anyone thinks but Tommy lost his fight, during the highlights between each round all you saw was Tommy getting bludgeoned. Even some of his loyal fans sitting in the crowd were dead silent during the fight. The judge that scored the fight 119 – 110 must have been watching another fight. If you take a recording of that fight to another judge overseas that does not know any of the boxer I can promise you that they will judge that Gare won the fight. The balance of the fights were fantastic, I honestly thought that Botha never had it in him to beat Flo, but I have a new found respect for him. A lesson South African boxing should learn from this is that the professionals and amateurs should work much closer together to find the potential champions of the future. Flo had just 2 fights as an amateur, he never fought in a championship tournament, he was never an SA amateur champion, Saturday night showed that unfortunately he is not good enough, maybe in time he will be but I have my doubts. Botha was an SA champion as an amateur and he was a champion in a very tough division as well, can anyone say that he has been a poor or below average professional? I think now. Joey Stiglingh the youngster that everyone is currently raving about was an SA amateur champion, as long as he is guided the right way and keeps a clean life he will go onto bigger things. Chris Van Heerden was an SA champion as an amateur, he was fantastic on Saturday night. Bongani Mwelase won a gold in the commonwealth games as an amateur. Everyone is raving about Jason Bederman but he never won an SA title as an amateur, his last fight showed his weakness. The point I am trying to make with this is that the professional boxing and amateurs should be much closer knitted and work together to find the real talent and potential in the young boxers so that they can be guided alone the right way to make them the future of SA boxing.

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  39. June 06, 2011 at 12:14 pm, Bob-Weave said:

    Can Mr Berman answer question,about the boxers been dumped after lose.Not after 2 or 3fights,but just 1lose,and why Isaac not fighting under GGP,because he’s a foreigner,thought Muller will do much better than Isaac Chilemba.This website was much saying about Simba non stop,please don’t dumb the boy,plus his fighting in a wrong division,and his rushed.Speed kills,this boys must’nt be rushed.They got power not experience.Same thing will happen to Tommy,if not managed well.Please don’t want to be disappointed again.Flo Simba,muller and Tommy,Berman’s “Angels”…Boxing and politition,are the same,Who you fooling.

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  40. June 06, 2011 at 12:44 pm, Rodney Berman said:

    “Bob-Weave”, I would answer your question if I knew what it was you were asking.

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  41. June 06, 2011 at 1:09 pm, dinks said:

    this website is where us fans are supposed to be able to voice our points of view why is rodney taking personal shots at people’s opinions he doesn’t like instead of just speaking about the boxing … sounds pretty defensive and insecure to me!!crticism should be taken as well as you would a compliment. also ggp has a reputation for dropping boxers after one loss, amazing how they are standing behind the great hype perhaps because they created the mess the poor guy found himself in on sat night.

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  42. June 06, 2011 at 1:10 pm, Jono said:

    @Dave as you no nothing about Jason Amatuer career.
    Jason has knocked out all he’s so called gold medalist’s in Amatuer,in the Pro ranks, eg “Bongani D” in three rounds.
    One more thing Jason was Captain of Johnny Muller and Joey in the South African games, how is that for a fact.
    Jason was a great Amatuer get your fact straight.

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    • June 06, 2011 at 3:55 pm, Dave said:

      > Jono My facts are 100% correct, Jason Bederman never won an amateur SA title, he may have beaten amateur SA champions but he never won one at an SA championship tournament. You can go ask the amateur boxing chairman’s, Kit Markotter and John Germanos.

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    • June 06, 2011 at 4:29 pm, Dave said:

      > In fact the correct people to ask are not the people in charge of the Johannesbur/gauteng region but SANABO themself and if i am wrong i will gladly admit that i was wrong that Jason didn’t win an SA amateur title.

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  43. June 06, 2011 at 2:01 pm, Dave said:

    @Mr Bermen where is the likes of the badman and the Fireball know his been sick but will GG be working with him again?

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  44. June 06, 2011 at 2:03 pm, Simon said:

    I thought the tournament was enjoyable. Even though Oosthuizen’s fight was super boring, he boxed well and used his height and reach to his advantage, well done to him. I think he now needs a decent apponent however. I still don’t think he’s been tested. Johnny Muller is battling for some reason. Could it be that at Harold’s he lives in the shadow of Flo and Tommy? Perhaps he is feeling pressure. Flo clearly has some serious athletic ability but way too many holes in his boxing ability. I could see him get rattled mentally by Botha’s antics. Smith brothers are a refreshing welcome to the Emperors fight card. One critisism, Brian Mitchell’s commentating is so biased. I know that’s a Supersport issue not GGP but he is FLo’s manager so it is very obvious.

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  45. June 06, 2011 at 4:10 pm, Guy said:

    Flo wasn’t ready for a wily veteran like Botha who has been in with some of the best fighters in the world. He’s still very wet behind the ears and needs to face and beat guys like Danie Venter and Anton Nel before taking on an international fringe contender like Botha. As far as I am concerned he was thrown to the lions by his management who should be ashamed of themselves.

    Tommy Oosthuizen is a good boxer and has a lot of ability, but he was nailed a number of times by the light punching Gare. If he’d been facing somebody who could punch he would have been ko’d. He’s clearly not ready for the likes of a Bute or a Froch. They would smash him.

    Thabiso Mchunu is a talented boxer with an excellent defensive and a strong punch, but he’s handlers need to keep him fighting at cruiserweight where he has the potential to be great. Although he comfortably outpointed Venter he looked ridiculously small by comparison. At 5’9′ he simply is too short to make an impact at heavyweight where the average height for a fighter is 6’2/6’3.

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  46. June 06, 2011 at 5:10 pm, Jono said:

    @Dave you are right.
    Jason did not win any Amatuer title, but he still payed he’s dues and was Joburg Champ and Gauteng Champ,by him self with out any “politics” helping him along.
    One more thing Jason is still “ONE” of the bigest hitting Light weight in South Africa look at he’s record. FACT!

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    • June 07, 2011 at 12:03 pm, Dave said:

      > Jono i respect your opinions about Jason and in fact any other boxer, and i really do hope that Jason becomes a wolrd champion one day, but for me up to now i cannot see it but i honestly hope he proves me wrong. And just to add to that i was not trying to say that Jason was a bad amatuer at all, my point is that the SA amatuer champions are the guys that really excel in the pro ranks, of course this isn’t a hardened rule.

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  47. June 06, 2011 at 5:24 pm, VLS said:

    Rodney, thank you for a wonderful night of boxing action. In the spirit of being constructive I can only offer two criticisms:
    (1) The bill was very long. I was watching at home due to my wife refusing for me to go watch boxing by myself and to leave her and our little one and it was tough to not fall asleep by the time Simba and Botha started (not that the boxing wasn’t exciting, just past my bedtime);

    (2) Brian Mitchell is a boxing legend but he shouldn’t be the main ‘play-by-play’ commentator. The problem is that Kepler Wessels is incredibly boring and that black chap (I’m also black – not being racist) who commentates with Brian offers zero insight and just agrees with whatever Brian says (and don’t even think about bringing the abysmal Dumile Mateza to fill the space). How about doing a talent search for a new boxing commentator like they did for Super Diski?

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  48. June 06, 2011 at 5:27 pm, Emilio said:

    Hi Dave
    You did not read Jono comment properley, he did not say Jason won any SA titles in Amatuers but did knock the SA champ out in the Pro’s.
    Jason my Boy you are going to Rock South Africa again like you do best.

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  49. June 06, 2011 at 5:45 pm, Uppercut said:

    Hi Boxing fans,just read all comments.There are some interesting comments.
    Firstly ,dinks,jono,boxinfan,you guys will like to see Jason again,do you guys really want to see him QUIT again.Jason can not take a punch and when the heat is turned up he quits.
    Stephen castle I always think you were a bum.I don’t even know way Flo fought you.You are now involved with gage fight,from the outside of the ring,please do not get in the ring.
    Dave,are you out off your mind ,Tommy lost,did you watch the fight on slow mo the hall time because even on slow mo you cant see how fast Tommy were.
    Flo and Johnny did not listen to there trainer thats why they lost.Tommy were the only won listening to his trainer and he won.Well done to all the boxers for a great night.
    I also watch the fights again and listen to the commentators
    I must say one thing please Brain when you commentate ,the boxers you manage are not the only boxers in the ring,please remember that.All you talked about were Flo and Johnny and they lost.I wonder if you know who they lost against,because you hardly mention the other boxers names.

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  50. June 06, 2011 at 5:52 pm, Rodney Berman said:

    Thanks for your interest in Grant “Fireball” Fourie, who remains one of Golden Gloves’ favourite boxers.
    He has struggled with health issues in recent months and we can’t wait to see him back in the ring, but we want to see him get well first.
    You will hear from us first when he is back in action.

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  51. June 06, 2011 at 6:58 pm, unknown said:

    As far as I know Jason Bedeman, Joey Stiglingh and Johnny Muller were in many teams together as well as on a lot of boxing tours together but Jason has never been captain of Joey Stiglingh. He might have been captain to Johnny although I highly doubt that too. And I was in the team myself along with the above mentioned and Jason only went 2 SA games approximately 4years after Joey Stiglingh so JONO before you can state a fact, rather make sure of what you think you know because its clearly incorrect facts that you are stating. And I would agree with DAVE that Joey is definitely a champion. Enough said

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  52. June 07, 2011 at 5:19 am, Emilio said:

    Hey Uppercut
    Don’t be so sour,Jason must of Knocked out one of your boys, that’s why you have those feeling?
    One more thing the one lose Jason did have was with an International fighter not a local.
    To your question YES we want to see Jason back in action.

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  53. June 07, 2011 at 6:01 am, Joey fan said:

    As far as I know Jason Bedeman, Joey Stiglingh and Johnny Muller were in many teams together as well as on a lot of boxing tours together but Jason has never been captain of Joey Stiglingh. He might have been captain to Johnny although I highly doubt that too. And I was in the team myself along with the above mentioned and Jason only went 2 SA games approximately 4years after Joey Stiglingh so JONO before you can state a fact, rather make sure of what you think you know because its clearly incorrect facts that you are stating. And I would agree with DAVE that Joey is definitely a champion. Enough said

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  54. June 07, 2011 at 8:23 am, tanya said:

    100% Agree Uppercut, Johnny and Flo did not listen to their trainers and that is why they lost. Johnny and Flo know what they did wrong and lets leave it there. Just remember Johnny and Flo, we still support you guys all the way

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  55. June 07, 2011 at 8:28 am, DaveD said:

    That’s great news, was wondering why Fourie and Jason have no profiles on GG web? After watching Fourie fight on a box and dine he made me become a big fan of boxing, and must say the last few box and dines have not been the same, even the atmosphere never been the same. Best night was when Fourie and Badman was on same card in December just after their fight what a night. And not sure if just me but sure most people feel the same box and dine or those small tourtmants not same with out Fourie even Jason. Hope he gets back soon!!!!

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  56. June 07, 2011 at 12:48 pm, Emilio said:

    I agree Fourie and Badman are both young boxers with big heart and they both put on a great show always.

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  57. June 07, 2011 at 3:08 pm, Boxing fan said:

    The Badman was captain of the SA team fact! checked up on it with Kit. The Badman has suffered only one loss in his professional career of 17 fights only 2 draws and and 2 going the distance the rest of his fights he knocked out his opponents and tko’d them mmm kinda think he deserves a little recognition he won his last fight by knock out at Ellis park, was there he knocked his opponent right out of the ring! Catch the Badman’s next fight on Sunday June 12th at Nasrec or watch it on Supersport it is a shame that due to ONE loss GGP has not put him on any bills this year hopefully this will change! Since now other GGP fighters have suffered there first losses in an even more devastatingly ways compared to that of the Badmans loss namely Flo getting Tko’d and Muller getting knocked out will they to be kicked to the curb?? Hope to see the Badman MR EXCITEMENT back in the ring at Emperors soon! Uppercut do yourself a favour and watch Bedeman’s fight on June 12th then comment about what defines a quitter because anyone who has enough guts to even step into the ring falls out of that category!

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  58. June 07, 2011 at 8:01 pm, W P said:

    Tommy is very over-rated. He lost that fight to Issac Chilembe and i think he would lose again. No disrepect to him, just calling a spade, a spade. From the very get go i was scepticle about Flo VS Fransie, Fransie is a marketing man and his last few fights haven’t been broadcast on television, If there was any time to make a last Who Raaa wouldnt it be on Continental television against the Main Promotions poster boy, And last but not least i think we should have an out-of-retirement battle between “The peoples Champ” Stephen Castle VS “Uppercut” Andre Thysse.

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  59. June 08, 2011 at 6:06 am, Stephen Castle said:

    To Uppercut, your opinion and I respect it. Mine is that you are chicken. Put your name to your comments and stop hiding behind an alias.

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  60. June 08, 2011 at 6:50 am, nomercy said:

    Let me just put some FACTS straight! Jason was captain of the Gauteng team in 2007 not the SA team as you have to be in the SA( National team) to be their captain, he lost in the 2nd round of that championships and wasn’t even chosen for the national trials! And he was captain because he chose to be not because he was chosen by the team! But that said he is a much better pro fighter and will go very far if he lives clean and trains hard! Amature boxing means nothing, Grant Fourie was a multiple SA champ and Jason beat him!

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  61. June 08, 2011 at 7:12 am, Emilio said:

    Amen Boxing Fan
    The haters out there that love point boxing that is not what people pay to watch, unless you are Old and have nothing als to do.
    People pay to watch fight like Micky Ward VS Arthairo Gatti not run around and jab fights.

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  62. June 08, 2011 at 12:18 pm, Boxing nut said:

    Guys winning S.A titles now in amateurs can’t count for much great achievement, but guys have 1 fight and are champs, back in the 90′s and 80′s would have like 6 fights over weekend to be champ. But many great am fighter could never cut it in the pro’s. No mercy is that not name of Gerts Stradoms gym? @wp yes let’s see Castel vs Tysse, box and dine sell out!!!!

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  63. June 09, 2011 at 5:49 am, Flo"Black Panther"Simba Fan said:

    DAVE,
    WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR INFO ABOUT “FLO SIMBA”
    HE HAD “7″AMATEUR FIGHT’S- 7KO”–
    2009-HE WIN THE JOHANNESBURG TITLE
    2009-HE WIN THE GAUTENG TITLE KNOCKING OUT THE SA CHAMP
    2009-HE WAS SELECT TO GO TO THE SA CHAMPIONSHIPS
    SO IF YOU WANT TO TALK, PLEASE THINK RIGHT BEFORE YOU SAY IT
    THIS IS FROM A AMATEUR COACH WHO WAS THERE IN THE RING ALL THE TIME

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  64. June 09, 2011 at 6:03 am, Flo"Black Panther"Simba Fan said:

    DAVE,
    WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR INFO ABOUT “FLO SIMBA”(06 JUNE)
    HE HAD “7″AMATEUR FIGHT’S- 7KO”–
    2009-HE WIN THE JOHANNESBURG TITLE
    2009-HE WIN THE GAUTENG TITLE KNOCKING OUT THE SA CHAMP
    2009-HE WAS SELECT TO GO TO THE SA CHAMPIONSHIPS
    SO IF YOU WANT TO TALK, PLEASE THINK RIGHT BEFORE YOU SAY IT
    THIS IS FROM A AMATEUR COACH WHO WAS THERE IN THE RING ALL THE TIME

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    • June 09, 2011 at 7:58 pm, Dave said:

      > Flo”Black Panther”Simba Fan you obviously coached or were involved in some way of coaching Flo as an amateur, i personally only remember him having 2 fights as an amateur, he may have a few more fights that i don’t remember but do you really think that have 7 or how many ever fights he actually had as an amatuer is really enough to turn pro? If we look at it realistically in all of his 10 pro fights he must have had between 15 or 20 full rounds, in my mind that is not enough experience to take on an experienced boxer like Botha who has had over 50 fights. Can we at least agree on that? I honestly hope Flo becomes a world champion one day but in my opinion he needs alot more fights and time to get there.

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  65. June 10, 2011 at 6:38 am, George said:

    Bieng a big boxing fan i would love to see Jason the badman Bedeman fight again,he is a young,talented and exciting fighter to watch. in my opinion he is the hardest hitting lightwieght fighter coming out of South africa.

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  66. June 10, 2011 at 8:22 am, Flo"Black Panther"Simba Fan said:

    HI DAVE
    FLO HAD MORE THAN 2 BOUTS I KNOW IT BECAUSE I WAS THE COACH
    I AGREE 100% WITH YOU THAT HIS AMATEUR RECORD WASN’T SO BIG RECORD AS IT WAS FROM FRANCOIS BOTHA(I THINK HIS RECORD
    +80 BOUTS IN AMATEURS) AND YOU ARE RIGHT FOR THE AMOUNT OF ROUNDS THAT HE HAD COMPAIR TO FRANCOIS. BUT AS I SAY HE HIS IN GOOD HANDS IN NOW, AND HAROLD& BRIAN NOW WHAT THEY DOING
    I THINK HE NEEDS ANOTHER COUPLE OF BOUTS TO TAKE ON FRANCOIS AGAIN FOR A REMATCH.
    SO NO AFFENCE HAVE A GREAT DAY/WEEKEND

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  67. June 10, 2011 at 11:25 am, Dave said:

    George i have read a few posts that say that Jason is fighting at Nasrec this weekend, so you can catch his fight there if you like.

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  68. June 10, 2011 at 1:29 pm, Dave said:

    Hi Flo”Black Panther”Simba Fan

    No offence taken, i do not think that Flo show have a rematch with botha though, he should put it behind him and carry on and gain more experince. I would also go as far as to say that he should consider fighting in the light heavyweight division, but of course that’s up to him and his management team. These are just my thoughts of course. Have a great wekeend too.

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    • June 10, 2011 at 5:09 pm, Pierre said:

      > Dave, I think you mean “cruiserweight division”. Flo weighs 98kg, so there’s no way he can make light heavy.

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  69. June 13, 2011 at 7:31 am, Flo"Black Panther"Simba Fan said:

    DAVE,
    AS I SAY HE IS NOW IN THE HANDS OF OTHER COACHS,
    AND THEY MUST LOOK AFTER HIM.
    PIERRE YES CRUISER WEIGHT- DAVE JUST MADE A SMALL MISTAKE

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  70. June 15, 2011 at 6:22 am, Silvio Rangel said:

    Firstly I would like to say well done to all the boxers,I respect every boxer that steps into the ring because no1 understands the trainin you go threw,2nd stphan castle with al the respect u say flo hasn’t had any hard opponents,its a shame wen u consider yourself as not a hard apponent,its like you admitin to being weak and if I remeber corectly,flo simba actualy knocked you out,or am I wrong sir?flo has had 7 amatuer fyts n da reason why he turned pro was because there was no competition for him in amatuer as he just kept knockin his oipponents out including the sa champ.I respect every1s coments.n don’t mean to dus respect any1 I’m just saying as it is,n flo should have a rematch and I think he’ll do well.n they say tomy never had hard opponents,I think jared lovett is a great boxer with a lot of power and tommy managed to win against jared,it was a good test for tommy,I think people should realy stop hating

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  71. June 15, 2011 at 2:13 pm, Flo"Black Panther"Simba Fan said:

    YOU GO SILVIO,
    AGREE 100% WITH YOU

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  72. June 16, 2011 at 7:35 am, Dave said:

    Hi Silvio, I will go speak to the amateur boxing association about Flo’s amateur record, I recall him actually losing one of the fights I remember, but like I say I’d like to clarify it for myself. If I am wrong then I apologise but I am only going on what I remember here. As for the reason that Flo turn pro coz there was no opposition I fully agree with that, I know that in the amateurs there is a shortage of heavyweight boxers. I think many people or understanding me wrong here, I don’t hate on any boxer, I would love to see all of them become champions. I’m just trying to point out that Flo in particular was hyped up out of proportion, everyone was saying that he is a world beater after only having a handful of fights. In my opinion it is very wrong and if anything I think it has set Flo back instead of giving more confidence. Personally if I was Flo I would do what Fransie Botha did and go to America and learn real boxing there. If he does that I can only see him becoming a fantastic boxer. I hope this clarifies my think, and shows that I’m not a hater as it’s being put.

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    • June 16, 2011 at 9:25 am, pierre said:

      > You are 100% correct.Flo’s first ten fights were against cruiserweights. They all fell down the moment they took a clean punch from Flo. Flo has never had to learn how to be patient, methodically open up his opponent’s defence with combinations to the body and the head, or defend himself properly. It got to the point where he was believing all the hype (how embarrassing to see a 10-fight novice escorted into the ring by his own rap crew) and expecting every opponent to go down as soon as he lands one of his wild, lunging punches. I actually felt sorry for him when I saw the look on his face the first time he connected cleanly on Botha’s chin, and Fransie just smiled and kept coming forward. There was literally no Plan B. Now it’s back to the drawing board.

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  73. June 17, 2011 at 7:34 am, Silvio Rangel said:

    Yes pls do that dave and I hear you and inderstand wat you saying,this site wasn’t made for us to meet up and knock eachother out or to make other people hate the boxers we support its made for us to discuss and share our views,I get what you sayin and I undersatnd,but why does flo have to train in america isn’t there talented coaches here?that we can say at the end yes that boxer came from here and he made it big here and knocked out american boxers,I know boxers like ali and tyson made it big in boxing why can’t we have some one like flo make it big here and show the world that we can do it to in africa,instead of us lookin at all the negative things that flo simba did in the ring why don’t we stand behind him and help him do better so that we can have a great fighter.if he makes it he won’t only make it for himself but for south africa,africa.Pierre I think u do have a point there weather flo should drop to a lower division or not I don’t know that’s for his corner to decide but al I can say is that to have someone with good speed and power in the heavyweight division is a good thing eg look at ali how he played around with his opponents.and botha trained in america and had a lot of experince but flo stil managed to give him a go I think we should think of that,took him 6rounds to get the job done,plan B?why have a plan B?havin a plan B is basicaly not being confident on your plan A and acepting that your plan A isn’t good enough

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